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OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

Posted on: February 12, 2011 9:23 pm
Edited on: February 12, 2011 9:45 pm
 
MADISON, Wis. -- Kansas will likely be No. 1 when the AP and Coaches polls update Monday.

If not Kansas, then Texas (especially if Matt Norlander has his way).

It'll be one or the other, and I can almost guarantee it because voters in those polls typically move winners up and losers down regardless of the details. So get ready for a new No. 1, but the top of my Top 25 (and one) will remain the same. I'm not dropping Ohio State even after Saturday's 71-67 loss at Wisconsin because, I mean, who wouldn't -- and doesn't -- lose at Wisconsin? If we're gonna start punishing teams for that, we might as well start punishing teams for wearing baggy shorts. Or chest-bumping. Or doing all the things all college teams do -- like lose at Wisconsin.

Beyond that, I still think Ohio State has the nation's best body of work.

The Buckeyes are 24-1 with wins over three teams ranked in the top 30 of the AP poll (No. 14 Purdue, No. 17 Florida and No. 26 Minnesota), and the only loss came by four points at No. 13 Wisconsin -- a place where the Badgers have won 35 of their past 36 games, a place where last season's national champion Duke Blue Devils also lost. Meantime, Kansas is 24-1 with just two wins over teams ranked in the AP top 30 (No. 15 Arizona and No. 19 Missouri), and the Jayhawks one loss is a nine-point loss at home to No. 3 Texas.

Road loss to Wisconsin > Home loss to Texas

Thus ...

OSU's resume > KU's resume

As for Texas, well, the Longhorns (22-3) have better wins than Ohio State and Kansas.

That's undeniable.

But they also have three losses -- one on a neutral court to No. 4 Pittsburgh, one at home to No. 10 Connecticut and one on the road (by 17 points) to unranked Southern California -- and I don't think you can just disregard that, and I don't believe the big wins are enough to cancel out the three losses. Reasonable minds can disagree, of course. But that's my mindset. So while I would definitely have Texas ahead of Kansas (remember, Texas won at Kansas), I can't bring myself to jump Texas ahead of Ohio State -- not when it would be based on little more than Ohio State's final-minute loss at a place where visitors almost never win.

Anyway, that's why I'm keeping OSU No. 1.

I'll figure out the rest of the rankings late Sunday.
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Comments

Since: Jan 5, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2011 12:38 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

First off, you're ridiculous for judging an entire resume based off their lone losses. It completely discounts the wins the teams have had. Kansas has rolled in recent weeks, winning games by 20+ points, while Ohio State struggles to beat teams like Northwestern ! All year long, you have consistantly put Kansas lower than everyone else has and your reasons, quite honestly, are horrible. Quit letting your bias control your posting and do your job right!

Well seeing as how kansas got outrightly raped on monday. I'd say he has pretty good judgement.



Since: Apr 3, 2007
Posted on: February 15, 2011 11:25 am
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

um, twarfare, notre dame didn't beat wisconsin in madison.  What are you talking about?

Anyways, it is illogical to try to base a poll on who is playing the best right now.  That poll would be arbitrary because you couldn't define its perameters in any empirical way.  Would it be who is playing the best this week?  If so, you would end up with a bad team who played great and knocked off a top team highly ranked or other nonsensical outcomes.  Wisconsin might be number one since they played out of their minds and texas might actually be ranked lowly after a lackluster performance against Baylor.  So if you say we need to go back further for a bigger picture of who is best right now, then how far do you go?  The absurdities still exist, however they diminish the further back you go.  And any length of time you place on your look back is arbitrary.  So taking the "line" all the way to the beginning of the season is the ONLY logical way to evaluate teams in a ranking system.  It may not be the best predictor of outcomes in individual matchups, but it wasn't designed for that.  A ranking should NEVER be based on who is playing best at the time.  That is insane.  It MUST be based on entire body of work, then let the tournament sort out the individual matchups.



Since: Apr 24, 2008
Posted on: February 14, 2011 6:28 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

How is everybody rating the BIG EAST no highly? Is it because they beat each other ? I would think the best way to determine that the BIG EAST is BY FAR the best Conference in the nation would be to look  at thier out of Conference resume.. So if you take the top 4 BIG EAST teams and look at thier Quality Wins and loses that would be a start..

Pittsburg ) Beat Texas by 2 points at home 68-66 on NOV 19th , almost 3 months ago, well before Texas got on a roll.. They beat Maryland who is 7th in the ACC in a down year. They lost to  who is 15-10 and 5-5 in the SEC..

Notre Dame )  Beat Wisconsin on NOV 28th ( I Thought Nobody beats Wisconsin in Wisconsin, Ohio State )  And they got crushed by Kentucky..

Georgetown )  Beat Missouri 111-102 NOV 30th , Beat Memphis 86-69 , and got Beat by Temple...  The 2 non- conference quality wins they have are the same Quality wins nobody gives Kansas credit for.

Louisville )  Lost to Drexel and lost to Kentucky and have no Quality wins non-conference..

Of the top 4 teams in the Big East the Texas win by Pitt is the biggest NON-Conference win they hang thier hat on and they come from the BIG 12.. = Over-rated   



Since: Mar 9, 2009
Posted on: February 14, 2011 12:25 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

This is a tough one... at a quick glance, one could argue that Ohio State should stay #1... but then again, I think some of the other teams have played a tougher schedule. But let's be honest here.. no matter who you play, to stay unbeaten for so long is tough no matter how you do it.. so I tip my hat to the Buckeyes.

I think Pitt has played the toughest schedule and you can beat up on the Big East all you want. But many will have so so records because they all play each other and that should say something for itself. And Pitt went into Nova over the weekend without their star player. How many teams can win without their star? Look at the U of L Cardinals.. 10 players have been hurt..  no starters from last year... yadda yadda yadda.

Anyhoo.... then you could argue that Texas beat Kansas, but after a player had lost their father. And to go into Kansas is not easy either... and Texas lost to two Big East schools...  I think Texas has the tougher schedule than Kansas... and Pitt has had a very tough schedule while playing many top 25 teams.

Overall... I wouldn't want to be making this decision... but I like what someone had to say... thank god this is not football and will be decided on the courts come March.  If I had to pick a #1 now, it would be Texas... but that won't happen because they have 3 losses.. it will go to Kansas, because you can't see Pitt jumping that high when neither team has lost recently.



Since: Mar 15, 2009
Posted on: February 14, 2011 12:05 am
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

i agree i don't think osu should drop just becuase they lost on the road to a very good team by 4. what i can't comprehend is that Pitt who is 11-1 big east and 23-2 overall and beat texas isn't in the discussion.They are the dominant team in the most dominant conference so why aren't they recieving the recognition they deserve?



Since: Feb 13, 2008
Posted on: February 13, 2011 11:50 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

I have to agree.  OSU is still the better of the three contenders for top spot.



Since: Jan 24, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2011 11:44 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)




Since: Apr 27, 2007
Posted on: February 13, 2011 11:39 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

WHY DO ANY OF YOU CARE WHAT THIS DUSHBAG HAS TO SAY ABOUT WHO IS THE TOP TEAM! Its obvious he has no clue as to what a good team is. Hell he says KU is soft and has not played anyone, yet it Holds the #1 RPI ranking on his own site! Does he not realize that one loss KU had came less than a day after one of it players mother suddenly died you dont think that has anything to do with there loss of focus on a Basketball game that day!  Just another Hack Sportswriter! Enough said!



Since: Jan 13, 2009
Posted on: February 13, 2011 10:22 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

As much as I really, really, REALLY hate OSU, I tend to agree here. Texas is probably playing the best ball in my opinion, but they have 3 losses to the Buckeyes' 1. But like many people have already said, it's just not that big of a deal who's #1 right now because basketball has the greatest playoff in sports. We'll know in April who a real champion is.



Since: Jan 3, 2011
Posted on: February 13, 2011 9:49 pm
 

OSU will stay No. 1 in the Top 25 (and one)

Seriously, Gary?  First of all, Ohio State lost to Wisconsin.  Lets take a look at Wisconsin...they may be ranked, but their losses come to Michigan State, Penn State, Illinois, and UNLV.  None of those teams are ranked right now, and none of them should be.In fact, UNLV lost twice to BYU and to SDSU.  Texas has 3 losses.  Pitt has 2 losses.  Duke has 2 losses.  Yet you still consider Pitt, Ohio State, Kansas, and Texas as numbers 1-4?  The fact is, The Big Ten is mediocre, not much better than the PAC-10 this year, and the Big East isn't as great as everyone predicted they were.  When SDSU lost their first game against a then 9th ranked BYU, They would've dropped out of the top ten, save the losses that UCONN, NOVA, Pitt, BYU, and Duke all had that week.  What should the rankings look like?  There are a variety of alternatives...but Ohio State is definitely not #1.  They won't get past the Elite Eight in the Tourney, but I guess we have to actually watch the conference to prove it.


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