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The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

Posted on: January 29, 2011 6:06 pm
Edited on: January 29, 2011 7:48 pm
 
I don't know if there's an elite team in the Big East.

They all seem flawed in some way.

But I'll still be surprised if the league doesn't put a record number of schools in the NCAA tournament, and I won't be shocked if one or two make the Final Four. The problem is trying to figure out which one or two because the league is a scattered mess after three top 10 teams took losses Saturday.
  • No. 23 Louisville 79, No. 5 Connecticut 78 (2OT)
  • No. 21 Georgetown 69, No. 8 Villanova 66
  • Marquette 76, No. 9 Syracuse 70
The result of that is this: The teams ranked fifth (UConn), eighth (Villanova) and ninth (Syracuse) in the latest AP poll are now fourth (UConn), fourth (Villanova) and eighth (Syracuse) in the Big East standings, and the team ranked 23rd (Louisville) is all alone in second. Meantime, nine Big East members are in the top 28 of the latest AP poll, and half of the Big East's 16 members already have either three or four league losses, which suggests every relevant Big East member except Pittsburgh is likely to spend the next five weeks alternating between wins and losses. It'll be fun to watch from a distance but unbearable to experience first-hand. For proof look no farther than to Wednesday's showdown between Syracuse and Connecticut.

Yep, those two teams play each other next.

So Syracuse will either take its fifth straight loss or UConn will take its second straight loss.

There's no way around it.

Which is why Jim Boeheim and Jim Calhoun must be going crazy.

Both lost winnable games Saturday.

Now one of them is guaranteed to lose again Wednesday.
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Since: Nov 10, 2006
Posted on: January 31, 2011 6:45 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

But while teams outside the The Conference will begin to distance themselves from the other teams in their respective leagues, the fact is that Kansas, Duke and Kentucky (3 of your Final 4 teams just 3 days ago) are all going to have to join the Big Ten in order to play the same level of competition seen night after night in the BE. 

"My God, you sound like the basketball equivalent of an SEC football fan.  Both conferences are strong in the to half, and both conferences have crap at the bottom.  Both have lower-tier teams that are capable of upsetting anyone in the conference.  Bottom line is it is a grind in either conference, and you have to find ways to win even when you are having an off-night."

NitroBuck-

That's an insult to the SEC.  I'd take the bottom half of the SEC (Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, Vanderbilt and Ole Miss) against any six you want from the Big Ten and would win at least half.  Furthermore, I made the comment about Kansas, Duke and Kentucky before Duke was blown out by No. 11 (bottom half) of The Conference.  If you'd like to select another team, that's fine.

Oh, that's right, the Big Ten is already committed to Nebraska.

Seriously, I won't begrudge any team that goes undefeated in their conference getting a No. 1 seed.  Those are the teams that have an opportunity to learn about your team, their system, etc. from playing twice, watching each other on TV, etc.  Even though we have a tournament to crown the NCAA b-ball champ, advancing in the regionals is about survival and a team's seeding in the NCAA can say a lot about how far a team goes in the tourney.  A 6 loss team in The BE will have proven more than a non-champion with  3 or 4 losses in any other conference and shouldn't have to slide down to the #4 or #5 seed because of a couple of more losses.   

You want to compare the bottom of the conferences, fine.  Granted, DePaul would likely finish last in the Big Ten. But if you look at the standings in each conference today, Louisville has eight games with: Pitt, UConn 2x, @'Nova, WVA 2x, Syracuse, @ND while Purdue's top eight conference games are against Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State(!) and Michigan State.  NOT CLOSE!  As far as comparing the bottom teams in each conference, Purdue has eight games against: Iowa, Indiana, Northwestern and Michigan; Louisville has eight games against: South Florida (lost by 2 to BYU in 2 OT), DePaul, Rutgers, Seton Hall, Providence, St. John's (NCAA prob) and Marquette(NCAA prob).    Class is dismissed.

BTW, when I suggested adding Kansas, Duke and Kentucky to make the competition even, that was before St. John's destroyed Duke.  I may want to reconsider.

      
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Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2011 1:10 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

I simply think about each game I can get access to seeing every night and in even the ones in the score cards in the morning paper or online - no other conference than The Big East provides me with as many high quality games every week. Not even close.

Baliman, that is merely an numbers advantage.  The ACC/Big Ten/Big-12 are all pretty close to the Big East in quality, but the Big East has a lot more schools.  The Big East has 33% more schools (16) than the ACC and Big-12 (12).  As a result, the BE should have 33% more quality matchups each week.



Since: Jan 17, 2008
Posted on: January 31, 2011 12:29 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

Ohio State is quick enough to handle their Big Ten competition; but having the ability to "survive" at Northwestern (eighth place in the Big Ten) doesn't give them the quickness and size to eke out a victory against the tenth place team in the BE (Georgetown).

Give me a break!  OSU had a let-down game on the road at Northwestern a few days after a big win over Purdue.  I don't think there is a team in the country that would have been able to handle OSU on the night they played Purdue.  So the Buckeyes were due for a let-down performance.  Despite the fact that Northwestern did a great job of controlling the tempo to keep the score down and got hot from outside the arc in the second half, the Buckeyes found a way to pull out the W.  Had OSU hit their free throws down the stretch, they likely win by 6 instead of 1. 

What OSU did agianst Northwestern has no bearing on what OSU would do against Georgetown.  If OSU would play Georgetown the way they did Northwestern, the Hoyas would beat them.  But if they played like they did against Purdue, I think they would beat Georgetown easily.  So if OSU and Georgetown were to play, it's really more a matter of which team shows up to play.  That said, I highly doubt OSU would have a let-down game against a big-time program like Georgetown.


But while teams outside the The Conference will begin to distance themselves from the other teams in their respective leagues, the fact is that Kansas, Duke and Kentucky (3 of your Final 4 teams just 3 days ago) are all going to have to join the Big Ten in order to play the same level of competition seen night after night in the BE. 

My God, you sound like the basketball equivalent of an SEC football fan.  Both conferences are strong in the to half, and both conferences have crap at the bottom.  Both have lower-tier teams that are capable of upsetting anyone in the conference.  Bottom line is it is a grind in either conference, and you have to find ways to win even when you are having an off-night.



Since: Jan 30, 2011
Posted on: January 30, 2011 11:18 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

I've been thinking a little more on this. If anyone wants to believe their conference is better based on National Titles, go ahead. I simply think about each game I can get access to seeing every night and in even the ones in the score cards in the morning paper or online - no other conference than The Big East provides me with as many high quality games every week. Not even close. Nevertheless, I understand allegiance to your school and conference. In my opinion, The SEC will rebound quickly - especially with the hiring of Grant and Fox into the league.

Once you get past UNC and Duke, Basketball in The ACC is basically about a respectable showing and not being too humiliated. Jeff Bzdelik will bring you respectable, not to a Championship, Wake Forest. Same with Seth Greenberg, Virginia Tech. Tony Bennett at UVA should positively impact things in time. Oliver Purnell at DePaul is also a bad coaching move in The BE. I would have loved for Tony Bennett or Anthony Grant to take THAT job! Aside from Kansas, The Big 12, while a nearly great conference, is really committed to Football first, last and in between. I think it will chase guys like Turgeron and maybe even Barnes to other conferences sooner rather than later.

I allow Gary his flights of fancy about NCAA Hoops; It informs me about his opinion and reveals his biases in all of his reports for CBS. Dude, you're only in your early 30s - don't get marginalized as a closed minded crank, a la Billy Packer, so early in life.



Since: Dec 28, 2010
Posted on: January 30, 2011 10:55 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

Gary, if you did your homework, you'd know there is no such thing as a winnable game in the Big East whether at home or on the road.  You've basically have been giving the Cards the shaft at every opportunity you get.  If they would have been blown out at UConn, you would have dedicated a full column on how they are not legit and should not be looked at as a contender for an at large bid in the tourney.  Instead you downplay what they did to UConn on a court where they have not been beaten (until yesterday), and basically now throw the whole Big East conference under the bus, since your favorites bit the bullet with UConn, Villanova, and Syracuse all going down (and not to mention one of your ACC favorites didn't fair to well today (Duke) either, also against St. John's also a middle to lower tier team in the Big East standings.  Time for you to do what Matt Jones did and give the Cards, Pitino, and the other teams that beat the upper echelon teams their just due.



Since: Oct 23, 2007
Posted on: January 30, 2011 9:02 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

Moreover, one of them came from nine points down in the second half to win in 2OT against the No. 5 team in the land, came from 11 points down in the second half to beat WVA, came from 18 down in six and a half minutes to beat Marquette, and didn't need a comeback to beat St. Johns (you remember them, don't you?) by 25.  Yet, Louisville was barely hanging in your 25 plus 1 when they lost at Providence which gave you the opportunity to toss out the Cards in favor of Washington, Florida, Vanderbilt, and Florida State.  Seriously Gary, Florida and Florida State?!?!?  Since you insist on keeping Michigan State, Minnesota, Purdue and Wisconsin on your "A" list without requiring a resume, maybe UL's loss at Providence shouldn't look so bad after they whipped Villanova (a potentially "elite" team) and you'll give them some credit- after all, Louisville thought the UConn game on Saturday was "winnable", as well. 

Everything in this part of your post is dead on the screws  Pitinohead.  This is how Gary has treated UL all year,  Going all the way back to the UNLV game when he said he "wouldnt buy in" until after they beat UNLV.  They did, handly and what happened?  A couple weeks later now they had to beat UK for him to "buy in".  Its like he struggles to rank them in the first place and then tosses them WHENEVER he gets the chance. 

You have to question this guy a little bit though because through losses to Nova and Providence, BOTH of the other polls (you know the ones that actually count) kept UL ranked.  Looks like that has pretty much been validated to me. 

Maybe somebody should turn the tables and do a "Poll Attacks" on Parrish.

UL has been playing multiple guys down all year and that doesnt even get a mention but man, let Purdue or Syracuse or Minnesota or MSU play without guys and Gary can find all kinds of excuses for them.

Even this article, with UL coming off one of the best wins by anybody, anywhere in CBB this year, and what does he write about?  Not about how UL pulled out one of the guttiest wins this year (down 3 frontcourt players).  No, lets write about  how Uconn potentially lost it. 

Lets recap the weekend for UL.  They go beat Uconn at Uconn snapping a 6 game win streak that included wins at TX and home to Tennessee.  WVU came
back to get a win in its next game after falling to UL and MU and St Johns (whom as another reminder fell to UL by TWENTY-FIVE, that is 25) both beat top 10 teams.

Parrish MAY allow UL to crack the top 20 but dont let them lose to Gtown in their second road game against a top 20 team in less than 56 hours because he will boot them right back out.

Its kind of a running joke he plays at this point.  Hes come up short with it multiple times already this year.
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Since: Oct 23, 2007
Posted on: January 30, 2011 8:41 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

There is no playoff system in D1 football.

The winner of the SEC title game almost always gets a shot at the title. Its not a fair or good comparison.

By the way, unless your team actually competes well in SEC football, you really shouldnt even be posting about it.  I am looking at you UK Fans because you are the biggest culprits"Oh well we play in the toughest football conference there is."  Great, get back to me when you are relevant in the discusson and not just riding coatails.



Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: January 30, 2011 8:33 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

You know the ACC is history when their fans use phrases like "going back to 1980" to claim that they are still relevant.  Face it.  No one cares about the ACC in basketball anymore.  There's Duke, UNC, and that's it.  It's like UNLV in the 1990's (not even that good).  The ACC sold their soul for football. We saw it happen, and we knew it at the time.  It's all over. The Big East is alone at the top.



Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: January 30, 2011 8:09 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

I see alot of comparisons of Big East Hoops to SEC football.

Shocks me since SEC football actually seals the deal and wins National Championships.

Big East Hoops has no national titles in last 6 years.  ACC has 3, SEC has 2.

Go back to 1980

ACC - 10 titles by 3 teams
SEC - 5 titles by 3 teams
Big East - 5 titles by 4 teams (you can add Louisville's 2 even though they were not Big East then, and you still don't catch ACC)
Big 10 - 4 titles by 3 teams
Pac 10 - 2 titles by 2 teams
Big 12 - 2 titles by 1 team

Don't try to sell me how great the Big East is because if you were that great, you would actually win the title more then the ACC and SEC since your existence began

And please stop comparing to SEC football because SEC football actually wins banners (6 titles in 7 years) not RPI bragging rights



Since: Apr 22, 2009
Posted on: January 30, 2011 7:55 pm
 

The Big East Conference -- where everybody loses

"Face it haters, the Big East is the basketball version of the SEC in football"

Yeah except the SEC wins football titles every year and the big east hasn't won one in hoops since 2004.

I don't see your point.  If the Big East is soooo great, where are the banners the last 6 years???????


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