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Posted on: October 28, 2010 3:56 pm
Edited on: October 28, 2010 3:59 pm
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The preseason Associated Press poll has been released.

So it's time to Poll Attack some fools.

Let's go!

AP poll: Let me start by telling you that I love Kansas State as much as the next guy ... as long as the next guy isn't ranking Kansas State ahead of Duke this preseason. I can't get with that next guy, because he's really just a look-at-me-I'm-different guy, which brings me to Dave Jones and Kevin Dunleavy.

(Sorry, Dave. You did this to yourself, buddy.)

Those are the two AP voters who put Kansas State No. 1, and it's the first thing that stood out when I looked at the poll. The reason it stood out is because it can't be intelligently justified. Even those who hate Duke have to acknowledge this roster might be more talented and better equipped than last season's roster to run through the regular season, and last season's roster won the freaking national championship. The Blue Devils have a perfect mix of experience and NBA talent, plus the most accomplished coach in America. So you can like KSU if you want (and I like the Wildcats plenty; I have them in the top five). But what you can't do is have Kansas State ahead of Duke, because, well, that's just silly.

(Moving on ...)

There are so many ridiculous ballots it's difficult not to Poll Attack half the voters.

But let's just focus on two.

The first clown is Mark Berman.

He included Ohio, Utah State, Old Dominion and Wofford on his ballot but left off Baylor, North Carolina, Memphis and Kentucky. I could spend 3,500 words explaining why this is stupid beyond belief, but is that even necessary? There are 65 AP voters, and Berman is the only person to leave UNC off a ballot, and he's also the only person to leave Kentucky off a ballot. So he hates power programs with a bunch of pros; that's all I can figure. Because there's no other explanation for being this idiotic in October.

The second clown is Ron Morris.

If Jamie Dixon sees him in a flipped car, I'd advise just leaving him there.

Pittsburgh won 25 games last season, finished second in the Big East, and four starters from that team are back, which is why the Big East coaches made the Panthers the overwhelming favorite in the Big East, because the Big East coaches -- at least now that Bobby Gonzalez is gone -- aren't stupid. I can't say the same for Ron Morris. Dude has Pittsburgh ranked 23rd -- four spots behind Colorado, which lost more games than it won last season. In other words, Morris looked at a Big East school with four returning starters from a 25-win team and decided that school ought to be ranked 23rd, then looked at a Big 12 school that finished 6-10 in its league last season and decided that school ought to be ranked 19th. My God.

And would you believe there's something even dumber?

Same dude voted Connecticut 18th.

This would've made sense three years ago, but it makes no sense now given that the Huskies have a coach who can't seem to stay healthy, and a roster that looks nothing like your typical UConn roster. That's why Big East coaches picked UConn 10th in the league, and why somebody needs to shoot me Ron Morris' email address. With little effort, I can get him added to the official Big East email list, at which point he'll start receiving announcements, and then this sort of stuff can probably be avoided. I don't mean to be pushy. But when you've got the team picked 10th in the Big East ranked 18th and the team picked first in the Big East ranked 23rd, it's clearly time for somebody to step in and offer help. And that somebody is me.
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Since: Jan 31, 2007
Posted on: November 3, 2010 11:37 pm
 

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Say what you will, but the TERPS will be in the top 25 by the end of the SEASON...Nuff said




Since: Jun 22, 2008
Posted on: November 3, 2010 5:16 pm
 

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Um, here's why MSU shouldn't be number 1. They return everyone, but they weren't that good last season. Honestly, neither was Duke, but there's no comparison. If Hummel hadn't gone down Purdue would be my #1 far and away, since they would return everyone from the #3 team in the country (when Hummel went down last season). Duke was the #5 team, give or take. And lost more than people realize, but also bring in a lot. MSU was...well, top-20. Barely. OK, so they made a run. Thanks to a fluke win at the buzzer over MD, a fluke 3-pointer by Farokhmanesh (not to mention the rest of that fluke game) and a huge upset by TN. MSU made the Final Four as a top-20 team, beating a 13 seed, 4 seed, 9 seed, 6 seed, then losing to a 5 seed. Let's not pretend they were some powerhouse that came together at the right time. They were a top-20 team that basically held serve. Top-20 teams that return everyone are top 5 teams maybe, if they add some talent too, but not #1.



Since: Aug 8, 2008
Posted on: November 3, 2010 12:48 pm
 

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Guts? Right.

Henson was NOT supposed to come in and dominate last season. For that matter, due to injuries, he played out of position, which he was clearly not able to do. When he moved to his natural position (the four), he played extremely well.  Your entire post ignores the injuries suffered by UNC last season (not making a season, just pointing out a fact).

Keep in mind that Tyler Zeller started over Ed Davis before Zeller went down with an injury. Combined, starters missed over 48 games last season. I don't know how anyone with a straight face could say that so many injuries wouldn't have an impact on the season. The entire team is healthy and the number one player in the nation is joining the roster. For the START of the season, a Top 10 ranking may be too high, but to leave UNC out of the Top 25 is silly. History is instructive


-I strongly disagree, every carolina fan I knew said this kid Henson was going to dominate before last year started and he was a major dissapointment for most of the season. Now I strongly agree that when he was moved to the 4 he did play extremely well and in my eyes was by far the best player on the court at the end of your NIT run. He can do special things with his height no others can do and makes him unique. The only problem with him being a 4 is his weight and getting pushed around. You notice most of his blocks come from the backside when he is ghelping out another player. The only thing i wonder if he does gain weight will he lose some of the things that make him special? But I like the kid and think he will be great, hopefully gone after this year.

Injuries are part of the game! No one cared or said anything with the string of injuries Duke has had over the last 4 years before last year! That being said I can honestly say that was the most injuries I have seen on a UNC team before and def had a major affect on your team last year and def played a role in how you guys played. But that wasnt the sole reason, but def the major one. I think UNC can finish in the top 10, should not be ranked so high to start with, and also agree leaving them out of the poll would be silly.Good luck to yall, but not really! ;-)



Since: Aug 8, 2008
Posted on: November 3, 2010 12:22 pm
 

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god your hatred is showing through...

How is my hate showing through? I try to be as objective as possible.


-have you seen even him play? He may not be as good a shooter but he is a better scorer then his brother. From what I heard he took it to him most this summer too.

Actually, I have seen Seth Curry play. When he played at Liberty, his team was part of Bracketbusters. Also, I watched him play in the CIT. He was a solid player, but he will definitely take a backseat to Austin Rivers.

-so you watched part of one game or something and you have seen him play now? Doubt he takes a backseat either, we will be playing a 3 guard lineup again when rivers gets here.

-who are these experts? espn is one of the worse high school evaluaters there is, and like i said he is a great passer, but a roy williams type point gaurd he is not. And even they had him listed as like 6th or 7th pg so how did he pass the other for all american?

Ummm, a guy named Dave Telep. Since hiring him, ESPN has actually been one of the better recruiting analysis sites out there.

-umm yeah, the just hired him like 2-3 weeks ago, before that I dont think anyone gave espn dues for being intelligent college basketball analsyst. I know Telep very well , met in person, and have listened to for years. Im a raleigh native and he is usually the best in the game, but like I said he just started working for them officially.

1-wear bear1

2-wear bear 2

3-bobby frasor

4-danny green

5-neil fingleton (my favorite)

6-joe forte

7-kris lang

I can play that game too. But it is usually after they commit to carolina that they get that invite some how, so yeah i still say unc

1. The Wears bailed on UNC like a Duke big men bailed on Coach K. -Like UNC Freshamn PFs?
2. Bobby Frasor was injured. I admit he was overrated
3. Danny Green? really? Are you bringing him up. He was great at UNC -Great his senior year yes, first 3 years UNC fans liked to see him dance but not really play.
4. Neil Fingleton- that was a awful
6. Joe Fotre- You are obviously delusional if you included a former co-ACC Player of the Year-I'll give you that, him flaming out and turning into a drug dealer disillusioned me. Let me sub in King Rice since you went back to the 80's on me with palmer and beard.
7. Kris Lang- Had a decent career. Was he a super star? No. However, he was a solid complimentary player. -He was a borderline retard and terrible.

-Oh and like you said, time will tell with Larry Angelese, Dexter Strickland, Ty Zeller and Kendall.

Your list is no where near as awful as the list of Duke flops. Please try again. -Also I dont recall boykins being Mcdonalds, but he might have been. And I never argued we have had flops, God our whole 2005 class was one. I simply stated some of the guys UNC gets commitments from happens to carry weight and helps sway the voters for mcdonalds before they are Mcdonalds.

Heard of both of them, V sucks on UNC balls just as bad when they are at the top and decourcy? are you serious? that dude hates duke. Best thing you said was Jay Bilas is best objective analyst, unlike say a Stuart Scott. If you dont think the media or voters hate duke ask your 2 boys why they voted kansas state for #1?????

I never said that Dick Vitale doesn't adore UNC. You said that the media hates Duke. If the media truly hates Duke, why do both polls have Duke No. 1 and not Michigan State? Michigan State reached the Final Four without their star point guard. The lose Morgan but they bring in a very talented class.

_only because its so obvious, how do you not rank the team that just won the national title, with their 2 best playes, one a top all american not at number one? You look just blatantly stupid and bias, as pointed out in this article we are posting under. Did you not see the media craze last year during the tournament? Not only did we get picked to lose pretty much every game, but professional writers were stating their hatred for us and wanting us to lose. Your going to tell me the general media is not against Duke? Come on





Since: Oct 19, 2009
Posted on: November 2, 2010 11:42 am
 

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god your hatred is showing through...

How is my hate showing through? I try to be as objective as possible.


-have you seen even him play? He may not be as good a shooter but he is a better scorer then his brother. From what I heard he took it to him most this summer too.

Actually, I have seen Seth Curry play. When he played at Liberty, his team was part of Bracketbusters. Also, I watched him play in the CIT. He was a solid player, but he will definitely take a backseat to Austin Rivers.

-who are these experts? espn is one of the worse high school evaluaters there is, and like i said he is a great passer, but a roy williams type point gaurd he is not. And even they had him listed as like 6th or 7th pg so how did he pass the other for all american?

Ummm, a guy named Dave Telep. Since hiring him, ESPN has actually been one of the better recruiting analysis sites out there.

1-wear bear1

2-wear bear 2

3-bobby frasor

4-danny green

5-neil fingleton (my favorite)

6-joe forte

7-kris lang

I can play that game too. But it is usually after they commit to carolina that they get that invite some how, so yeah i still say unc

1. The Wears bailed on UNC like a Duke big men bailed on Coach K.
2. Bobby Frasor was injured. I admit he was overrated
3. Danny Green? really? Are you bringing him up. He was great at UNC
4. Neil Fingleton- that was a awful
6. Joe Fotre- You are obviously delusional if you included a former co-ACC Player of the Year
7. Kris Lang- Had a decent career. Was he a super star? No. However, he was a solid complimentary player.

Your list is no where near as awful as the list of Duke flops. Please try again.

Heard of both of them, V sucks on UNC balls just as bad when they are at the top and decourcy? are you serious? that dude hates duke. Best thing you said was Jay Bilas is best objective analyst, unlike say a Stuart Scott. If you dont think the media or voters hate duke ask your 2 boys why they voted kansas state for #1?????

I never said that Dick Vitale doesn't adore UNC. You said that the media hates Duke. If the media truly hates Duke, why do both polls have Duke No. 1 and not Michigan State? Michigan State reached the Final Four without their star point guard. The lose Morgan but they bring in a very talented class.




Since: Dec 16, 2006
Posted on: November 2, 2010 11:09 am
 

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Guts? Right.

Henson was NOT supposed to come in and dominate last season. For that matter, due to injuries, he played out of position, which he was clearly not able to do. When he moved to his natural position (the four), he played extremely well.  Your entire post ignores the injuries suffered by UNC last season (not making a season, just pointing out a fact).

Keep in mind that Tyler Zeller started over Ed Davis before Zeller went down with an injury. Combined, starters missed over 48 games last season. I don't know how anyone with a straight face could say that so many injuries wouldn't have an impact on the season. The entire team is healthy and the number one player in the nation is joining the roster. For the START of the season, a Top 10 ranking may be too high, but to leave UNC out of the Top 25 is silly. History is instructive.




Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: November 1, 2010 3:13 pm
 

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kpk, you hit one thing on the head.  NOBODY can realistically judge how good or bad some teams from the big conferences are until they start playing their conference schedules.  Out of the 300+ Division I teams playing ball, somewhere around 30 of them schedule a couple of "test" games before the season gets underway in the conferences toward the end of December.  Mostly this happens in the season-opening and holiday tournaments.  Anybody who signs up for the Maui Invitational, Coaches vs. Cancer, and the preseason NIT knows that if they win a game or two against the cupcakes, they're in for some heavy-duty competition in the closing rounds.  (I know I'm leaving out some tournaments-- it's not on purpose, I'm just doing this off the top of my head.)

I don't know how many programs realize the potential damage they do to their teams by not trying to match up at least twice before conference time against more heavyweight programs.  The NCAA Tournament planners rarely penalize a team that tried to step up against the big boys and got a beat down while they turned around and hammered the low teams in their conferences.

We can all speculate how good Duke will be, how well UNC rebounds from a dismal 2009-10 season, how will Purdue handle a whole season without Hummel, and what will the turnover in Lexington mean for the Wildcats.  It's all speculation until we start hooking up in conference play towards the end of the calendar year.  Clemson looked like the greatest thing since sliced bread hit the market until January 2010 rolled up on them in the ACC.



Since: Oct 12, 2010
Posted on: November 1, 2010 2:37 pm
 

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Nolan Smith and Kyrie Irving vs. Mr. Turnover and Dexter Strickland, you must be out of your Tar Hool mind. 



Since: Aug 8, 2008
Posted on: November 1, 2010 11:30 am
 

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god your hatred is showing through...

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-once again I never said either of those 2 were point gaurd, but all 3 of them can handle the ball well, better then most the UNC backcourt. And yes, it is obvious caoches didnt learn with his older brother casue what did he do as a freshman? avg about 20 some points, some are saying he might be better then his brother, and lets of people are saying he is all american potential. Again, like his brother he is a scorer who can handle the ball.-

Have you seen Curry's stats as a freshman and compared it to his brother's? Seth Curry shot under 35% from downtown, whereas his brother Stephon shot over 40% from beyond the arc. Seth also shot 7% less from the field in general than his brother. While Smith can play the point in the pinch, you will lose some of his offensive ability by not having that point guard. 

-have you seen even him play? He may not be as good a shooter but he is a better scorer then his brother. From what I heard he took it to him most this summer too.



-no scoring option? so where did the points come from? So your putting all the scoring on 2 freshman, one that you dont even have penciled in the starting line up. Kendall Marshall is good at running the break? Are you kiiding me? A great passer he is, but probably the slowest point gaurd ole Roy has had in I dont know how long. Im sure unfortunately for you Knox might play more because of the foul trouble your other 2 bigs get in, but you rather have him then kelly? or even hairston? doubtful.


If you watched UNC basketball at all last year, you would have noticed no one wanted to shoot the ball. It was painful. Harrison Barnes was the MVP of three high school basketball All-Star games including the Nike Hoop Summit which is a great indicator of how a player will do in college.

As for Kendall Marshall, let's what the experts say..... according to the ESPN Player evaluations: Marshall is the "the best passer/playmaker" in the 2010 class has long been the consensus of most evaluators when describing Marshall's game; even the casual fan can recognize this kid's talent for delivering the ball with amazing creativity and accuracy. There is no doubt that he will have a major impact on North Carolina's fast-breaking offense as his vision and skill set will have teammates salivating over the prospects of being rewarded for running the floor in transition. An area of concern that I am sure will be addressed and worked on will be his consistency from the perimeter. Until he can prove that he can consistently knock down open jumpers, teams will be able to game plan to take away his strengths. Opponents will sag on ball defenders to contain the dribble and there will be less help defense which will force Marshall to have to make a play. If he does improve his consistency look out, he becomes an almost un-guardable Jason Kidd-like weapon."

That doesn't sound too bad to me.

-who are these experts? espn is one of the worse high school evaluaters there is, and like i said he is a great passer, but a roy williams type point gaurd he is not. And even they had him listed as like 6th or 7th pg so how did he pass the other for all american?


Here is a list of Duke big men who were McDonald's All-Americans who didn't pan out in Durham.
1. Crawford Palmer
2. Joey Beard
3. Chris Burgess
4. Shavlik Randolph
5. Michael Thompson
6. Eric Boeteng
7. Jamal Boykin

 



Sooo..... who exactly makes it on the McDonald's All-American team based on school name? Time will tell if Kelly and Hairston join these ranks. 

1-wear bear1

2-wear bear 2

3-bobby frasor

4-danny green

5-neil fingleton (my favorite)

6-joe forte

7-kris lang

I can play that game too. But it is usually after they commit to carolina that they get that invite some how, so yeah i still say unc.

 

 

-Not #8 in the polls after failing to win Nit, not making ncaa, and just being terrible in the ACC. The media loves to hate Duke and maybe would put them aroun 23.

You obviously not heard of Dick Vitale and Mike DeCourcy among others. Ironically, the best and most objective analyst is a former Duke player Jay Bilas.


Heard of both of them, V sucks on UNC balls just as bad when they are at the top and decourcy? are you serious? that dude hates duke. Best thing you said was Jay Bilas is best objective analyst, unlike say a Stuart Scott. If you dont think the media or voters hate duke ask your 2 boys why they voted kansas state for #1?????



Since: Oct 19, 2009
Posted on: October 29, 2010 5:36 pm
 

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-once again I never said either of those 2 were point gaurd, but all 3 of them can handle the ball well, better then most the UNC backcourt. And yes, it is obvious caoches didnt learn with his older brother casue what did he do as a freshman? avg about 20 some points, some are saying he might be better then his brother, and lets of people are saying he is all american potential. Again, like his brother he is a scorer who can handle the ball.-

Have you seen Curry's stats as a freshman and compared it to his brother's? Seth Curry shot under 35% from downtown, whereas his brother Stephon shot over 40% from beyond the arc. Seth also shot 7% less from the field in general than his brother. While Smith can play the point in the pinch, you will lose some of his offensive ability by not having that point guard.

-no scoring option? so where did the points come from? So your putting all the scoring on 2 freshman, one that you dont even have penciled in the starting line up. Kendall Marshall is good at running the break? Are you kiiding me? A great passer he is, but probably the slowest point gaurd ole Roy has had in I dont know how long. Im sure unfortunately for you Knox might play more because of the foul trouble your other 2 bigs get in, but you rather have him then kelly? or even hairston? doubtful.


If you watched UNC basketball at all last year, you would have noticed no one wanted to shoot the ball. It was painful. Harrison Barnes was the MVP of three high school basketball All-Star games including the Nike Hoop Summit which is a great indicator of how a player will do in college.

As for Kendall Marshall, let's what the experts say..... according to the ESPN Player evaluations: Marshall is the "the best passer/playmaker" in the 2010 class has long been the consensus of most evaluators when describing Marshall's game; even the casual fan can recognize this kid's talent for delivering the ball with amazing creativity and accuracy. There is no doubt that he will have a major impact on North Carolina's fast-breaking offense as his vision and skill set will have teammates salivating over the prospects of being rewarded for running the floor in transition. An area of concern that I am sure will be addressed and worked on will be his consistency from the perimeter. Until he can prove that he can consistently knock down open jumpers, teams will be able to game plan to take away his strengths. Opponents will sag on ball defenders to contain the dribble and there will be less help defense which will force Marshall to have to make a play. If he does improve his consistency look out, he becomes an almost un-guardable Jason Kidd-like weapon."

That doesn't sound too bad to me.


Here is a list of Duke big men who were McDonald's All-Americans who didn't pan out in Durham.
1. Crawford Palmer
2. Joey Beard
3. Chris Burgess
4. Shavlik Randolph
5. Michael Thompson
6. Eric Boeteng
7. Jamal Boykin

Sooo..... who exactly makes it on the McDonald's All-American team based on school name? Time will tell if Kelly and Hairston join these ranks.

-Not #8 in the polls after failing to win Nit, not making ncaa, and just being terrible in the ACC. The media loves to hate Duke and maybe would put them aroun 23.

You obviously not heard of Dick Vitale and Mike DeCourcy among others. Ironically, the best and most objective analyst is a former Duke player Jay Bilas.



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