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Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Posted on: March 15, 2010 4:18 pm
Edited on: March 15, 2010 4:22 pm
 

Iowa announced Monday that Todd Lickliter is no longer its basketball coach after just three seasons, making him the third coach to be fired less than 24 hours after Selection Sunday. What's sure to come next is a parade of people pointing to Lickliter's demise and suggesting it's proof that the "grass isn't always greener," proof that coaches should be careful about leaving their small schools the way Lickliter left Butler.

But that's a stupid thing to suggest.

Leaving Butler for a bigger job worked out fine for Thad Matta.

It'll probably work out OK someday for Brad Stevens, too.

(And it made Lickliter wealthy, if nothing else.)

In other words, leaving Butler (or any non-BCS school) for a bigger job isn't the problem. The problem is leaving Butler for a bigger job but continuing to recruit Horizon League players; that's career suicide. Horizon players are great for the Horizon. But you can't win with them in the Big Ten, and that's the biggest reason Lickliter didn't win in the Big Ten.

He didn't recruit Big Ten players.

So now he's gone.
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Since: Oct 31, 2009
Posted on: April 7, 2010 12:59 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Quint: “Well it proves one thing, Mr. Hooper.  It proves that you wealthy college boys don’t have the education enough to admit when you’re wrong”



Just wanted to know if the scorer who gave this a 103 a couple of weeks ago can relate to MR. HOOPER? 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

What am I missing here? The Butler program has traditionally been one of the best basketball programs over the last decade, having won at least 20 games and reached postseason play eight of the last ten seasons, including six Ncaa Tournament appearances. Butler also holds two national championships in men's basketball from the pre-tournament era; one from 1924 (earned via the AAU national tournament), and one from 1929 (selected by the Veteran Athletes of Philadelphia).

In the 2000 NCAA tournament, the Bulldogs' lost a heartbreaking 69-68 overtime game to eventual national runner-up Florida as a No. 12 seed; a game considered an ESPN "Classic." The next year, Butler defeated Wake Forest 79-63 in the first round of the 2001 NCAA Tournament as a No. 10 seed. Butler's exclusion from the 2002 Tournament as a 25-5 team is considered by many as the biggest NCAA selection "snub" ever. I wonder why. In 2003 Butler reached the Sweet Sixteen as a No. 12 seed by defeating #5 Mississippi St. and #4 Louisville.

The 2006-2007 team won the NIT Season Tip-Off, which helped them to be named one of the top 12 underdog sports stories of 2006 by ESPN. Butler finished the regular season ranked No. 17 in the ESPN/USA Today Coaches Poll and #25 in the AP Poll.

During the 06-07 season, the Wooden Award National Player of the Year finalists in college basketball included Butler junior guard Al Graves, while the 2006-07 mid-season Jim Phelan National Coach of the Year was awarded to Head Coach Todd Lickliter. Lickliter was the second coach to win the award while coaching at Butler. It was also awarded to former legendary coach Jim Anthony who won the award 3 times in 1968, 1969,and 1972. He remains the only coach in college basketball history to win the award 3 times.

In 2007 Butler earned a #5 seed, the highest in the school's history. Its previous highest seed was #10 in 2001. Butler was ranked in the AP Top 25 throughout the 2006-2007 season, reaching as high as #9 (also a school record). In the first round of the Midwest Regional, Butler defeated #12 seed Old Dominion 57-46. In round two, Butler defeated #4 seed Maryland by a score of 62 to 59, earning a trip to the Sweet Sixteen #1 seed Florida. This marked the second time in five years and the third time in the school's history that Butler reached the Sweet Sixteen.

Butler has the best winning percentage and most wins of all D-I men's basketball programs in the state of Indiana over the last decade (21.6 wins per year through 2006). Now you may say that's because they play easier schedules, but they have won the last six meetings with in-state rival Notre Dame and two of the last four against Indiana . Butler defeated both Notre Dame and Indiana during the 2006-07 regular season, while also defeating in-state rival Purdue to move to 2-0 against the Boilermakers this decade. Butler has also been the defending champion of the Hoosier Classic men's basketball tournament since the 2001-02 season, and has advanced to postseason play eight of the last ten years (6 NCAA's, 2 NIT's). Butler has been to nine NCAA Tournaments and three NIT's since 1997.

Let me ask a couple of questions. Does anybody think it's easier to advance deep into the tournament from a low (as in #12) seed as opposed to a high seed? Does anybody think the officiating for a low seed, whether it be conscious or unconscious, favors or even equals that of a high seed?

I think Butler basketball's consistent tradition, i.e. quality programs over a lengthy period, negates any notion that their program could not compete in the Big Ten or is that Eleven. Thinking like this only fuels the reasoning used by the Jim Nances of the world justify the annual snubbing of quality, deserved programs.

Every year it's the same old same old; follow the money.        

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players. Joke





Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2010 3:37 pm
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Here's a wild and crazy thought, only pay these coaches millions if they can recruit AND coach.  It's like saying that the president can be a good campaigner but doesn't have to follow through on his duties as president...oh wait we already have that too.



Since: Jan 23, 2010
Posted on: March 16, 2010 2:26 pm
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

The obvious-ness of the title is exactly the reason Lickliter is gone.  Not only did he not get consistent Big 10 talent but he recruited the same player over and over and over.  Iowa has had a stable of 2 and 3 guards run through (and then leave) in the three years he was here.  Iowa's ugly step sisters to the west (Iowa State) are going through the same thing.  They fired a proven recruiter in Wayne Morgan who had questionable coaching ability.  Then they hired a proven coach from a mid major that had led his program to the NCAA's in Greg McDermott.  His old program is still doing fine finishing the year with the #17 RPI and winning their conference for the 2nd straight year.  Who had the better teams?  The "recruiter" was in the NIT semi-finals and the big dance.  McDermott still has yet to go above .500 in his four years. 
Iowa needs better talent.  Get a "recruiter" and then bring in a "coach"



Since: Oct 9, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2010 12:29 pm
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Illinois has superior classes incoming the next 2 years. If he fails with that talent...yes, he will be moving on and should be.



Since: Sep 11, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2010 11:42 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Lol....



Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: March 16, 2010 10:26 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

Wow swami, there went four minutes of my life I will never get back.....



Since: Nov 16, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2010 9:52 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

I'm not in any way close to this situation...but I can't imagine a scenario where Iowa will pull Pastner away from Memphis.  He did well this year, they pay him well, and he has possibly the top recruiting class in the country coming into Memphis next year.




Since: Nov 26, 2006
Posted on: March 16, 2010 9:06 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

The Memphis coach is not coming to Iowa.   He's got one of the top 5 classes coming in next year and Memphis is a recruiting hotbed.  



Since: Mar 13, 2009
Posted on: March 16, 2010 3:49 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

hawkkc- It's Josh Pastner, just for info's sake.

This is the part where I'd say something like "My coach would never leave my school, especially with a #1 recruiting class."
However, that didn't work last year...
Still, here's hoping we keep the guy.



Since: Mar 16, 2010
Posted on: March 16, 2010 2:13 am
 

Big Ten coaches must sign Big Ten players

It's going to be a few years before Iowa can even somewhat compete in the Big Ten. No Midwest recruit wants to go to Iowa. They all want to go to Michigan St, Purdue, Ohio St, Notre Dame, and teams like that who compete every year. The first step for Iowa is to get an experienced coach, not necessarily from a Power Conference, but a coach that has been around for a while and knows how to recruit. If they can find a coach like that, then maybe in a few years they can start competing in the Big Ten. Not anytime soon though.


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