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The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Posted on: March 11, 2010 4:26 pm
Edited on: March 11, 2010 4:31 pm

The reason everybody said Syracuse was a "lock" for a No. 1 seed is because it was true.

So stop worrying, Orange fans. You deserve and will get a No. 1 seed in the NCAA tournament despite Thursday's loss to Georgetown ... unless, of course, an MRI on Arinze Onuaku's right knee reveals a torn ACL or something else that will prevent the big-bodied senior from competing next week. If that happens, the selection committee will need to consider it and decide whether to move Syracuse off the top line.

Which brings me to two important questions:

1) Would Onuaku's absence be enough to damage Syracuse's seed?

Perhaps, but probably only if Duke won the ACC tournament, West Virginia won the Big East tournament, and Ohio State or Purdue won the Big Ten tournament, or if at least two of those things happened. Then the committee could reasonably reward two of those possible No. 1 seeds with a No. 1 seed and point to Onuaku's injury as a reason for the swap. Short of that, there just won't be any great alternative candidates, and then a diminished Syracuse would be just as worthy as anybody else.

Plus, Onuaku is not as important to Syracuse as Robbie Hummel was to Purdue.

Nobody should suggest otherwise.

He's important, sure. But Purdue lost arguably its best player; nobody would argue Onuaku is even one of Syracuse's two best players. So while the Hummel and Onuaku injuries are similar in that they could both affect high-level teams, the effect they could have on said teams are not similar.

2) Should Syracuse be secretive/misleading if Onuaku is out?

If it's determined Onuaku is out of the NCAA tournament, why wouldn't school officials insist they need a second opinion, third opinion, whatever, and just wait to announce anything until the bracket is set Sunday? The committee couldn't possibly drop the Orange on an assumption that Onuaku might be out. So if the news is bad, I'd keep it vague, get the No. 1 seed, then announce Onuaku is out.

Isn't that the smart thing to do?

(I said smart thing, not right thing .)

Either way, for now everybody should just keep their fingers crossed.

Nobody likes to see a player go down at this time of the year.

Nobody likes to see a team limited by an injury.

It was awful when it happened to Purdue.

It would be awful here, too.
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Since: Nov 6, 2007
Posted on: March 12, 2010 4:30 pm

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might


do yourself a favor and compare the resumes of duke, west virginia and ohio state against syracuse's. then and only then will you see how dumb your post is.

furthermore i am not sure why you think it is impressive to win the ACC tournament. Duke may possibly have to win one game against a ranked team in maryland in the finals. i

nor do i understand how you think it is more impressive to win the BE conference tourney than the regular season. West va has two more loses than syracuse and lost to syracuse at home.

Since: Dec 21, 2008
Posted on: March 12, 2010 2:29 pm

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Bowman....I agree with you on the Duke scenerio and while West Virginia might have a valid argument if they win the B.E. tourney...
I just don't believe the selection committee will award a six loss WV team a #1 seed over a 4 loss Cuse team that defeated the Mountaineers during the year.  I truly believe Cuse is the third #1 seed and the only other team that may displace them after Duke would be Purdue if they run the table in their tourney.

Since: Dec 21, 2008
Posted on: March 12, 2010 1:13 pm

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Chill.....You have absolutey nailed the #1 seeding scenerio.  I couldn't agree with you more. The numbers on each team speak for themselves despite the unfortunate injury issues that have happened to about half those teams.......
Can't wait for the dance to start!

Since: Mar 6, 2007
Posted on: March 12, 2010 11:56 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Dude, it's about a 4 hour drive from DC to NYC and it's at least a 4 1/2 hour drive from Syracuse to how is this more of a home game for Cuse than the Hoyas? This was about as neutral of a site as you could ask for and I think the mix of the crowd clearly illustrated that. And to say AO would not have had an impact on the game is foolish speculation. Cuse cut it to 2 without him and then got manhandled on the boards. You're telling me AO wouldn't have had an impact on the boards? The announcers even pointed out an instance where Kris Joseph got pushed right out of the way on a key put back that Monroe had...and they said there's no way he would've been able to just move AO out of the way like that. So I think losing him clearly had an impact on how the game played out...but I won't go as far as to say Cuse would've won if he had stayed. They would've had a better shot, but I can't say one way or the other...because that would be the same foolish speculation that you're participating in.

As for the #1 seed...I don't see anyone that has a better body of work than Cuse, Kansas, and Kentucky. Those are your 3 locks, unless AO's injury turns out to be season ending. Then I could see Cuse dropping to a #2 ONLY if Ohio State/Purdue win the big 10 tourney, Duke wins the ACC, and WV wins the big east. Otherwise no one else even has a case. Everyone is battling for the final #1, Cuse isn't coming off that line unless AO is done for the year. Before you think about rebutting this point, think about this...7-1 against top 25, 9-1 on the road/neutral site games, 15-3 in the toughest conference in the country, 28-4 overall, and 0 bad losses. You can try to call either Louisville game a bad loss but they're a solid tournament team and don't fit the comittee's description of a bad loss. Find me two teams with a better resume than that and I'll say they both belong on the top line with Kansas and Kentucky, but the fact is those teams don't exist this year. Most of the 2 seeds are too weak to make the jump...stop hating.

Since: Feb 18, 2010
Posted on: March 12, 2010 11:11 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

"One of the dumbest comments I've seen on these boards in a long time.  If you're omniscient, man, get off these threads and go make some money in the market."

Without a doubt they still would have lost that game.  When did the injury happen? With 5 minutes to go? And they were down 8? And GT went on a massive run with him? I would say his injury allowed the game to get closer. Get a clue.

Cuse has the #1 locked up.  If WV wins the BE tourney and Duke doesnt make it to the SEC finals, there will be two BE teams with #1 seeds.

Parrish is a tool and I read the articles for conversation posts only.. 

Since: Sep 24, 2007
Posted on: March 12, 2010 10:21 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Anyone who has watched Syracuse knows that they play better without Onuaku. However, the importance of Onuaku lies in his ability to keep Jackson out of foul trouble, while wearing down the opposing team's center. Onuaku is a powerful, just look at Monroe near the end of the game, he was still playing well, but he was hunched over trying to get his breath. Without Onuaku in the game, Jackson could get dominated or in foul trouble against centers like Monroe, Cousins or Aldrich. Even though Onuaku is more a starting 6th man (he gets less playing time than Scoop or Kris), his impact is felt late in the game when Jackson has not fouled out and the opposing center is exhausted.
If Onuaku is only out the first weekend, there will be little or no impact to Syracuse. But, if Onuaku is out after the first weekend, I don't see a good future for Syracuse.
The good news is he is walking around.

Since: Jan 2, 2007
Posted on: March 12, 2010 9:57 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

Even if Onuaku is not confirmed as out for the Tournament, I think Syracuse's #1 seed is very much in danger.

If Duke wins a couple and finds itself in the ACC Tournament final, I think their ticket as a #1 seed is punched.  I don't even think they have to win the whole thing in Greensboro.  Getting to the final should be good enough.

Also, it is very possible that West Virginia could find itself in the Big East Tournament final game.  If they pull that one off, five of their six losses will be to Tournament teams (Syracuse, Villanova, Purdue (road), Pittsburgh (road), and Notre Dame (road).  In addition, if they can win the Tournament and knock off either a hot Marquette team or Georgetown, I have to think they would have locked up a #1 seed.

Since: Mar 31, 2009
Posted on: March 12, 2010 9:22 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

well, he only scored 3 pts in the previous 35 mins of game time.  I doubt he even scores 3 more in the final 5 mins.  He also usually sits out the end of games.  They would have lost regardless.

Since: Feb 25, 2007
Posted on: March 12, 2010 12:50 am

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

This could be the year a number one seed finally loses to a sixteen seed.  Syracuse, without their only true post player, will limp into the tournament even more so than the 1991 team that became the first ever 2 seed to lose to a 15 seed.  Don't forget, this Syracuse squad lost to Division II Le Moyne earlier this season.  Can they truly be expected now to handle a team like Robert Morris, with their season on the line?  

Since: Feb 6, 2010
Posted on: March 11, 2010 10:48 pm

The loss won't hurt Syracuse, but an injury might

his injury will hurt syracuse. they need a strong big man and hes not there.they will miss his abscense

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