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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: March 1, 2010 4:37 pm
Edited on: March 1, 2010 9:47 pm

First things first: I knew Syracuse would be No. 1 in the AP and Coaches polls.

And guess what?

It's not stupid to have Syracuse No. 1.

It's a perfectly reasonable thing to do. I don't agree. But it's not irrational even though Kansas has just as many wins over fellow Top 25 teams and a better RPI, even though KU's two losses came on the road while Syracuse's came at home, even though Jerry Palm still has KU as the No. 1 overall seed. I could use most of that information -- and perhaps all of that information -- to try to convince you that it's stupid to rank Syracuse No. 1. But I'm not going to do that because that's never been the point. I don't think you're stupid if you think Syracuse should be No. 1; I think you're stupid if you think a good case can't also be made for Kansas.

But I'm over it.

I'm more worried about the coach voting Duke No. 1.

That guy is an idiot.

He's about to get Poll Attacked!

AP poll: If Syracuse fans think I'm stupid for having the Orange at No. 2, then I bet they think Tom Keegan is brain-dead. Keegan has the Orange third on his ballot behind Kansas and Kentucky. And did I mention Tom works for the newspaper in Lawrence, Kansas? Yep, the sports editor in Kansas ranked KU No. 1 and Syracuse No. 3. So please click this link and direct your hatred toward him, and forget about me. Thanks.

Coaches poll: It's OK to have Duke in the top four, projected as a No. 1 seed, whatever. All reasonable. But there is no way to reasonably put Duke ahead of both Kansas and Syracuse on a ballot like one coach did this week. Duke has a 25-4 record featuring a loss to North Carolina State. Meantime, Syracuse has a 27-2 record featuring no losses to non-NCAA tournament teams, and Kansas has a 27-2 record featuring no losses to non-NCAA tournament teams. So Syracuse and Kansas both have more wins than Duke, fewer losses than Duke, better wins than Duke, fewer questionable losses than Duke, and I could go on for days.

So who's the guilty coach?

No way of knowing.

Coaches ballots are private.

I can't see them.

But my guess is that the guy who voted Duke No. 1 is the same guy who voted Murray State No. 25 after a loss to Morehead State. Murray State is a great OVC team, but that doesn't translate to a Top 25 team, not when the Racers have four losses to unranked teams and just one win over a team ranked in the top 100 of the RPI.

Since: Oct 26, 2007
Posted on: July 12, 2010 12:52 pm

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Here is a petition to make the coaches' ballots public: 

Since: Mar 4, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2010 4:00 pm

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He doesn't look so stupid now does he Syracuse fans?  Choke choke, cough cough.

Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2010 7:44 pm

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check out my Top 25 at my sports blog  (

Since: Mar 9, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2010 2:30 pm

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Dear lord Cusey Cuse,

You still can't see those numbers.  All of your points are completely irrelevant because they are NOT the best indicator of who is the better team with the better resume.  You only provided SOS numbers to prove me wrong.

This is completely irrelevant, but even Memphis was shutting up the SU fans on their home court for the first 25 minutes. And that was in late December. 

So a 2 point win for KU over Memphis in the first batch of games of the season doesn't show the team KU is at all.  So since you made the point that KU only won by 2 over Memphis and SU  "blew them out", anyone could make the point that SU lost to Lemoyne College (A Div. 2 SCHOOL!) in the preseason. 

They are irrelevant because those games were very early in the season in which all teams try to find their identity in November/December therefore&nb
sp;it's foolish to even counter with those games as key points.

My stat speaks for itself.

KU has 4 true road wins against teams in the RPI Top 25.  All came in January and February.

SU only has 2 true road wins against teams in the RPI Top 25.  The other win not on SU's home court in the RPI Top 25 is a neutral game against Cal in November.

In which the Cal win doesn't really mean as much because, again, it was early in the season and most teams are still trying to find their identity.

That is why KU has the better resume and should be the number ranked team to date.

Since: Feb 3, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2010 2:20 pm

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and didnt cuse lose at home to louisville hello kansas lost to 2 tournament bound teams. and dont even start the acc crap 5 ranked teams for the big east 5 for the big 12 4 for the big 10 and 3 for the sec and a measly 2 for the acc 1 of them doesnt even belong in there i am so sick of the acc they suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck face it the only solid teams that they have had this decade is unc and duke big east has had uconn, syracuse, pitt, villanova big 12 kansas, texas, oklahoma. A&M c'mon dont even mention maryland they had a few good years ok i am looking at consistency here

Since: Feb 3, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2010 2:01 pm

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hey idiot hold get your facts straight cant you add neb. 2x iowa 2x col. 2x and ok is 7 and does k-state, texas, A&M, tech, missourii hello

Since: Sep 26, 2007
Posted on: March 2, 2010 1:58 pm

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Duke is the best team in America because it is the best team in the best conference in America. The ACC is the best conference in America because it's the only conference where every team has a .500 or better record. Dick Vitale is the best basketball pundit in America because he knows the ACC is the best basketball conference in America.

Since: Feb 6, 2010
Posted on: March 2, 2010 1:51 pm

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Why do we even bother polling the coaches?  Isn't there an inherent conflict of interest?  It's like letting Aetna and WellPoint vote on healthcare reform, oh wait they kinda do!

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2010 1:21 pm

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Ok, but beating Cal on a nuetral court is better than beating Cal at home, agreed?  KU beat them in Lawrence. 

KU was #1 the start the season, so why shouldn't they be expected to play like it?  Who cares if it was only the "2nd game of the season"?  It's not like KU is young or inexperienced, right?  On the other hand, Syracuse lost 3 starters and 4 key players and managed to play well ealry on.

Hey, if 7 of SU's 13 conference games came against the worst teams in the the conference (Nebraska 2x, Iowas State 2x, Colorado 2x, and Oklahoma), they wouldn't lose many games in January and February either.

One fact is undeniable.  Syracuse and Kansas have the exact same record.  We just play a tougher shedule.  (SOS 9 vs, 19).

Since: Nov 24, 2009
Posted on: March 2, 2010 1:13 pm

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First, MOV isn't really the point.  The point is, Syracuse didn't struggle with either Cornell or Memphis.  We crushed them both.  Kansas darn near lost to both.  That's the difference. 

Second, we don't need to bend anything.  Syracuse was voted #1 overwhelmingly, by both the writers and the coaches.  SU's win over Villanova was more impressive than anything Kansas has done all year, and the voterss responded.

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