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The Poll Attacks

Posted on: January 4, 2010 8:13 pm

This week we have an in-state guy senselessly voting for his in-state school.

That's perfect for The Poll Attacks .

AP poll: Oregon got a nice win at Washington the other day. No way around it. Impressive stuff. But the Ducks are still 10-4 with losses to Portland, Montana and Saint Mary's in addition to a 106-69 loss to Missouri. So there's no way to justify ranking them, which is why 64 of the 65 AP voters left Oregon of their AP ballots.

The only voter who ranked Oregon?

Gary Horowitz of the Salem Statesman Journal .

That's Salem, as in Salem, Oregon .

And this is what we in the business call a Major Homer Alert .

Simply put, you can't do it. If you want to rank an outlandish team, rank an outlandish team from another part of the country. But you can't be the only guy ranking Oregon and be from Oregon. It just looks bad, particularly when you also spent a recent column picking Oregon to win the Rose Bowl. Again, it looks bad. So let's get this fixed by next week, and we'll pretend it never happened.

Coaches poll: Let me start by telling you that I still believe in Georgia Tech, still love the roster, still think the Yellow Jackets can make the NCAA tournament and advance. I like the team and the potential. But I'm baffled at their No. 17 ranking in the Coaches poll, because I just don't see how that makes sense.

Georgia Tech is 11-2.

The Yellow Jackets' best win is over a USC team missing Mike Gerrity and Leonard Washington.

Their losses are to Dayton on a neutral court and Florida State at home.

So can somebody explain how Georgia Tech can be ranked 17th, particularly when Florida State (12-2 with a win at Georgia Tech) is 19th and Dayton (10-3 with no losses outside of the top 15 to go with a win over Georgia Tech) is unranked?

That confuses me.

But I'll listen if you've got thoughts.

Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: January 6, 2010 9:57 am

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Can someone explain how the heck UNC is ranked in the top 10 at this point in the season with 4 losses?

Rankings are always such a joke.

Since: Dec 21, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2010 9:42 pm

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As you said, the polls are all about the fans.  This sort of discussion is exactly what they're here for, and it's a good discussion to have.  I can understand why you believe the Jayhawks should be ranked #1 as well.  I would have to agree that they are the best team in the nation right now.  I look forward to seeing both teams play some good basketball this year.


Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: January 5, 2010 9:24 pm

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Thanks for the was more measured than my own...I tend to get a little ginned up when talking college hoopsLaughing

One thing we can definitely agree on is that Purdue is very good, and maybe much better than that...I would put them right up there with the elite teams in the nation, and among those I would hope not to have to face in the tourney until Final Four weekend...which could happen for the Boilermakers.

Good luck and thanks again.


Since: Jan 5, 2010
Posted on: January 5, 2010 8:46 pm

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Actually, ALL of the undefeated teams have played weak schedules.

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Kansas 210

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Kansas 119

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Kentucky 186

Purdue 83




Kansas 235

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Kentucky 253

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Since: Nov 16, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2010 6:11 pm

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Gary...Keep an eye on Ed Graney's ballot throughout the year, as he will surely give you some ammo to write about sooner or later.  Living in Las Vegas gives me a chance to see his ballot every week.  For instance...he ranked UNC at #7, WVU at #8, and SU #9 this week.  Obviously WVU got smoked at #4 purdue, and SU laid an egg against Pitt, but both were first of the year losses.  How quickly this moron forgets that SU took UNC out to the woodshed earlier this year.  I think something might be wrong there.  Mind you, this was before UNC just lost to Charleston.  Anyway, I think you are familiar with this guy already.  Just a heads-up!

Since: Nov 5, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2010 4:49 pm

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Gary Parrish, why no apologies on your rants the past few weeks on Pitt being ranked? you practically crucified this guy for ranking Pitt, and then they go and beat the 5th ranked team (AP and Coaches) in the country as well as playing some solid games, putting them at 23rd in this weeks AP poll. either make a comment that you still dont think they should be ranked, or make a comment saying you were wrong. dont just sit there like a coward and act like nothing happened

Since: Dec 21, 2008
Posted on: January 5, 2010 4:15 pm

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I see where you're coming from now, but I'm not convinced.  Your argument is pretty much the following:

If one accepts the idea (and many did) that Kansas was the number one team in the country at the beginning of the season, then one must not only make the overwhelming case for another team to replace them, but must also give a doggone good reason why KU should be dropped from that number one spot.
Your surrounding paragraphs either support, or are derived from the above argument.  If that is your way of thinking, that's fine.  However, to argue that everyone should agree with that still bothers me a little.  In my opinion, a team that is ranked #1 does not have a divine right to be there.  That is, if Kentucky or Texas had better preseason expectations, but Kansas beat better opponents, I would prefer to see Kansas ranked #1, as opposed to Kentucky or Texas.  Unlike many people, I don't see a drop from #1 as a punishment for some bad deed a team does.  Rather, I see the top places, among teams with similar records and bodies of work, in a more fluid manner. 

In my opinion, teams should be evaluated based mostly on body of work, rather than preseason expectations.  If you accept this criteria, it is difficult to argue that Kansas deserves the #1 spot over Texas, Kentucky, or Purdue.  The four teams have identical records, but Kansas has, at most, 1 game against a good team.  The others all have more than this.  At this point, Texas clearly has the most good wins.  If you subscribe to this way of thinking, Texas deserves the #1 spot.

Based on the actual poll, it is clear that a majority of the AP subscribes to your point of view.  However, I don't see how you or Gary could consider my point of view Poll Attack-able.

One last thing:

BTW, tell Villanova or Seton Hall that Temple is overrated...they might find your argument to be as laughable as your desire to pimp a very good Purdue team into a higher spot than they deserve as well...nice try.
I am a Purdue fan, but I don't see how  you could accuse me of trying to 'pimp' the team into a higher ranking than they deserve.  Once again, if you subscribe to my way of thinking, Purdue and Kentucky both have legitimate arguments for the #2 seed.  I believe Purdue's win against #6 West Virginia gives them that edge.  If Kentucky manages to provide another big win, or Purdue struggles/loses, that would change.  Also, while Temple has had a couple good wins/close losses, they have also struggled against some bad teams.  I could see an argument against Temple being overrated, but they don't seem to be too consistent either.  I do regret making that point, simply because it isn't necessary in the overall argument that Kansas has an incredibly weak schedule, and that a reasonable person, with a reasonbale way of thinking, could rank them lower than Texas, Purdue, and Kentucky.

Since: Oct 24, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2010 3:00 pm

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you know the people and fans of Kentucky don't care who is really #1 like i say BRING YOU D/A KANSAS to any basketball court and watch KENTUCKY WIN SO SHUT UP

Since: Oct 25, 2007
Posted on: January 5, 2010 1:01 pm

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Yeah, I agree UK is going to be damn good.  Now, you will never hear me say that again. Pulling out wins while struggling is a good sign.  And they're in the SEC so they're not going to lose anytime soon, with wins over UNC, UCONN, UL, they're going to be in the top 5 all season so get used to it.  The game was sloppy but that doesn't mean the teams aren't any good.  UL has had one of the best defenses in the country over the last few years and we've made a lot of games look bad.  Paid off last year.  Which brings me to my next homeristic point, that is UL will be in the tourney and they will be bteer than you all think.  We've had some injuries, bad losses no doubt.  But we have plenty of chances to make up for it, and I'm actually encouraged by the UK game.  Did a pretty decent job on John Wall, better than UCONN did.  The defense is coming around and we can start off 2-0 with a win at Providence tomorrow.  Thanks for listening.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: January 5, 2010 11:53 am

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Not to worry Gary, most of the other jokers who dwell on Pitt's loss to Indiana(before they had their full team on the floor) will now have to apoligise and eat their words, especially Orange and Bearcat fans. Beating those two clubs on their own floor shows all is well with Pittsburgh Basketball. Just wait 'til Taylor gets more experiance.

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