Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit?

MEMPHIS, Tenn. -- As expected, Memphis will ...

Vacate all 38 wins from the 2007-08 season and its Final Four appearance.
Face three years probation.
Endure a public censure.

One of the interesting bits of information released today is that the SAT in question that the NCAA believes Derrick Rose did not actually take was taken by somebody in Detroit only a month before Rose enrolled at Memphis. Rose had already taken the SAT three times and failed to get a qualifying score each time. So suddenly this Chicago native went to Detroit to take the test one final time, and would it be too cynical to mention that the famed William Wesley -- AKA "Worldwide Wes" -- just so happens to live in Detroit?

That's probably just a coincidence, right?

Gary,

I don't know how long the findings report is, so I was wondering if you have read the entire thing?

My question is that in order to have Memphis vacate the wins, due to using an ineligible player, who by the way OF COURSE was cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse, it would seem to me that there should be proof or very strong implication that someone at, or associated with, the university had knowledge, should have had knowledge, or had involvement in the infraction. Is there anything that implies or flat out says this??? And that such knowledge or involvement had to occur before the end of the basketball season, and with that knowledge, the university did not withhold the athlete from competition. Otherwise, it seems specious to remove the wins!

If the report says that someone knew, or should have known, or was involved, then those in the chain of command should be held responsible too. If the AD knew, he should have consequences. If the coach knew or should have known, he should have consequences, If WWW was involved, ALL in the chain of command should have consequences for creating an institutional environment that was conducive to wrong-doing! Isn't there some knew level of responsibility for the coaches, just like the institutional control/responsibility???

If there is no proof of knowledge, then the stripping of wins seems unreasonably severe punishment. If there was knowledge, then why isn't any PERSON being sanctioned in addition to the university? Somewhere here, there appears to be a huge chasm between finding fault and apportioning blame to all involved, with the load being carried entirely by the University.

Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit?

Calipari knew about the problem before the season started and was more concerned about winning than doing the right thing, which would have been to rule Rose academically ineligible until he had met the academic requirements. This isn't the first time that Calipari has looked the other way when it came to a star player when their absence would have damaged his team's chances. There were rumors for a long period of time that Marcus Camby had signed with an agent while at UMass and Calipari continued to play him. It wasn't until after the season and Camby's graduation that the NCAA ruled that he had signed with an agent and UMass had to forfeit all of its wins from that season as well as its NCAA tourney share.

Bsquared-2 Reputation: 96 Level: Superstar Since: Mar 16, 2009	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:06 pm Score: 89 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Gary, Thank you so much for your question about why Duke has never been stripped of their 1999 final four to that NCAA rep at the press conference. You said what everyone else was thinking. Bravo! [ Reply to Comment ]
halo27legend Reputation: 96 Level: Superstar Since: Oct 16, 2007	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:08 pm Score: 59 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? nawwwwww this doesnt have anything to do with WWW... nooooooooooooooo ...thats ridiculous HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA there is a lot of interesting coincidences in this little fiasco isnt there... [ Reply to Comment ]
sonny_objective Reputation: 95 Level: Superstar Since: Mar 18, 2009	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:22 pm Score: 78 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Take heart memphis fans. They may be able to erase it from the books, but they will never be able to erase it from the minds. [ Reply to Comment ]
Izzone Reputation: 91 Level: All-Star Since: Sep 23, 2006	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:22 pm Score: 83 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? So, the Chicago Public School system warned Memphis that there were problems with Rose's SAT's in October 2007, which was before the seaon began and Memphis elected to play him anyway. Sounds like Memphis values winning more than integrity! [ Reply to Comment ]
bigk72 Reputation: 88 Level: All-Star Since: Nov 28, 2006	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:28 pm Score: 59 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? "Take heart memphis fans. They may be able to erase it from the books, but they will never be able to erase it from the minds." Be Glad your Kansas and that the NCAA would never go After Kansas...(Darell Aurthur Much) [ Reply to Comment ]
bigk72 Reputation: 88 Level: All-Star Since: Nov 28, 2006	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:29 pm Score: 80 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Take heart memphis fans. They may be able to erase it from the books, but they will never be able to erase it from the minds. Don't Forget Kansas Fans - Its Not Like Darrell Aurthur passed all of his High School courses... Just be glad YOUR KANSAS and the NCAA doesn't go after big name schools [ Reply to Comment ]
KVSkubball Reputation: 97 Level: Superstar Since: Mar 21, 2008	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:33 pm Score: 106 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Gary, I don't know how long the findings report is, so I was wondering if you have read the entire thing? My question is that in order to have Memphis vacate the wins, due to using an ineligible player, who by the way OF COURSE was cleared by the NCAA Clearinghouse, it would seem to me that there should be proof or very strong implication that someone at, or associated with, the university had knowledge, should have had knowledge, or had involvement in the infraction. Is there anything that implies or flat out says this??? And that such knowledge or involvement had to occur before the end of the basketball season, and with that knowledge, the university did not withhold the athlete from competition. Otherwise, it seems specious to remove the wins! If the report says that someone knew, or should have known, or was involved, then those in the chain of command should be held responsible too. If the AD knew, he should have consequences. If the coach knew or should have known, he should have consequences, If WWW was involved, ALL in the chain of command should have consequences for creating an institutional environment that was conducive to wrong-doing! Isn't there some knew level of responsibility for the coaches, just like the institutional control/responsibility??? If there is no proof of knowledge, then the stripping of wins seems unreasonably severe punishment. If there was knowledge, then why isn't any PERSON being sanctioned in addition to the university? Somewhere here, there appears to be a huge chasm between finding fault and apportioning blame to all involved, with the load being carried entirely by the University. [ Reply to Comment ]
99Tiger Reputation: 93 Level: All-Star Since: Aug 19, 2006	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:34 pm Score: 70 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? That was actually a kind, classy comment from a Kansas fan (those are hard to come by today)...why use it as an opportunity to be ugly? [ Reply to Comment ]
vinson7 Reputation: 94 Level: All-Star Since: Mar 31, 2009	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:40 pm Score: 71 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? The NCAA made a swift punishment considering they've yet to do anything to USC for Reggie Bush and OJ Mayo. Cal's slim, and UK got what it wanted...a win at all cost kind of coach. [ Reply to Comment ]
wizfan89 Reputation: 95 Level: Superstar Since: Mar 25, 2008	Posted on: August 20, 2009 4:42 pm Score: 121 Wonder why Rose's test score came from Detroit? Calipari knew about the problem before the season started and was more concerned about winning than doing the right thing, which would have been to rule Rose academically ineligible until he had met the academic requirements. This isn't the first time that Calipari has looked the other way when it came to a star player when their absence would have damaged his team's chances. There were rumors for a long period of time that Marcus Camby had signed with an agent while at UMass and Calipari continued to play him. It wasn't until after the season and Camby's graduation that the NCAA ruled that he had signed with an agent and UMass had to forfeit all of its wins from that season as well as its NCAA tourney share. [ Reply to Comment ]

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